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Oisin Creagh

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Post Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:07 pm

IAA requirements

Just spotted this on IAA website: Recent addition I think?

Foot Launched Powered Aircraft (FLPA)

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Definition

A foot-launched powered aircraft (FLPA) is defined as an aeroplane which:-
(a) comprises a combination of a paraglider or a flex-wing aerorofoil hang-glider and a mechanical propulsion device;
(b) has no landing undercarriage with wheels, skids or floats;
(c) is demonstrably capable of being safely foot-launched from a horizontal surface in still air or light wind conditions and of being safely landed again in similar conditions;
(d) Is capable of carrying no more than two persons in flight.

FLPA Classes

FLPAs come in two different Classes:-

Powered Hang Glider (PHG) - these are controlled by conventional ailerons on the wings and elevators and a rudder at the tail;
Powered Paraglider (PPG) - these have a delta shaped hang-glider type wing and are controlled by shifting the aeroplane's centre-of-gravity;
Requirement to hold an FLPA Pilot Licence

Under the Irish Aviation Authority (Personnel Licensing) Orders, a pilot of an FLPA is required to hold a pilot Licence . However, as the FLPA pilot licensing system is in the process of being finalised, FLPA pilots are currently facilitated with an Exemption , i.e. this is a document which exempts them from holding a pilot licence subject to meeting certain requirements. Limited recognition is given to FLPA qualifications obtained abroad (see AIC Nr. 11/04)


Requirements for Training

A person wishing to obtain an FPLA qualification must undergo a course of ground (Theoretical Knowledge) and flight training which is set out in the appropriate syllabuses. Generally, this training will be obtained at an FLPA flying club. Flight training covers normal and emergency procedures in general handling and cross-country navigation exercises. A minimum of 15 hours total flight time must be obtained, which must include 5 hours of solo time and the required qualifying solo cross country flight. Ground training covers airframe or canopy and engine technical knowledge, aircraft performance, meteorology (weather), navigation theory and flight planning, air law (Rules of the Air) and Human Performance & Limitations (the medical, physical and psychological aspects of flying). There is no radio communications or Air Traffic Control procedures training as FLPAs are prohibited from controlled airspace.

Persons who can give FLPA Training

Training must be undertaken with a qualified FLPA Flight Instructor (abbreviated "FI[FLPA]"). Such an instructor will hold an FPLA qualification himself on which is endorsed a Flight Instructor Rating for the FLPA classes in which he is qualified to instruct. In addition, the FLPA flying club where instruction is being undertaken must be registered with the IAA for that purpose as a Registered Training Facility (FLPA). The club will have a Certificate of Registration which must be displayed in a prominent place in the club premises.

FLPA Pilot Medical Requirements

Before going solo or being issued with an FLPA Pilot Licence, a person must pass a medical examination for a Class 2 Medical Certificate. This examination must be undertaken with a doctor who is nominated as an Aeromedical Examiner (AME) by the IAA.




15hrs flight time and 5hrs solo? Not sure where this came from?

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Gordon Dunn

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Post Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:24 pm

Oisin,
Any news on the licencing from the IAA? I was under the impression there was going to be a movement on this at the start of 2008.

I do get asked a lot by people- 'Do you need a licence?'..... having to explain the 'exemption' is a lot more difficult... sounds a bit like a 'no but yes'. Hopefully well see this introduced soon.

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Oisin Creagh

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Post Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:32 pm

I havn't been talking to them for some time. It should be coming in soon? Was a technical problem last time I spoke to them?

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Post Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:47 pm

Hi Oisin,

When we (NACI & IHPA) met Kevin Swords in mid-2007 they were intending to implement FLPA standards within a few months but there have been no developments since then and we have not specifically raised the issue at subsequent meetings. Looking at the numbers of exemptions granted it's obvious that no one in Ireland is qualifying any significant number of FLPA pilots at all. There are only handful of pilots getting exemptions and, in my view, the vast majority of those who are getting exemptions are guys like yourself and Jason who had the initiative to get trained outside Ireland.

At our meetings the IAA were specifying that PHGs and PPGs had to learn on dual trainers but we were not convinced on this point. I explained that no one, anywhere in the world, trained PHGs on dual trainers because, invariably, students cannot run fast enough and far enough without tripping. PHG take-off runs are quite lengthy even for solo pilots!

Similarly, the IAA specified dual training for PPG but, as far as I know, relatively few (if any) PPG instructors use dual/tandem flights for the same reason as PHG instructors avoid them. Jeff Goin's PPG Bible states "foot-launched tandem is the sport's most demanding skill - trikes are much easier for tandem".

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the IAA are not very knowledgeable on FLPA at all!

The specific IAA text that you high-lighted has been on the IAA website for at least a couple of months. I recall reading it a while back because I was amused that they had, again demonstrated a distinct lack of familiarity with FLPA.

They have confused PHG and PPG and it's not just a straight swap of a "P" and a "H". Even changing them around doesn't remedy the confusion - they're still complete nonsense. Neither a PPG nor a PHG is "controlled by conventional ailerons on the wings and elevators and a rudder at the tail". It really is hard to take them seriously with regard to FLPA regulation when they drop clangers like this.

Cheers,

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